Another project

[frualeydis]

I am so going to make this dress. The paint is secondary, so it maybe wasn't a sleeveless layer over a kirtle, but I like it even without that detail. At the neck you can see two layers though, but maybe it was a white shift that later got painted red? Have you seen anything like this from Germany pinkdiamond or myralea?
I have ordered up a book from the university library where it is described so I can see if there are any carving lines that suggest the cut that the painting shows, but it doesn't look like it in the photo.
Still, it's a nice swedish dress, the statue was made in Sweden in the first quarter of the 16th century.
I wonder what fabric I should use and for what occasion I shall make it. Probably Visby, but I really should finish Rickard's silk tunicella first. And finish my tudor and make new sleeves for the Anthonis Mor dress. I'm going to make tudor clothes for Rickard too, but that will have to wait until autumn I think.

Comments

[liadethornegge.livejournal.com]

I was just about to say that I can see two layers at the neck, but I see you've edited your post to say that.

Other than that, is she wearing a crown or is that supposed to be a halo? If it is a crown, I kind of like the shape of it.

[frualeydis.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I checked the picture again. I'm not sure about the sleeves though.
Anyway, Medeltidens Bildvärld really is a wonderful site.

Eva

[isiswardrobe.livejournal.com]

How lovely! It will be fun to see it evolve!

[myralea.livejournal.com]

the dress reminds me of details of several types of the southern german types from the 1470-1500s, but i'll have to check up more on that when i get home. this girl is not allowed too much dresshistory research during work hours ;)

the only thing that strikes me somewhat out of place is the contrast coloured sleeves (or is it a sleeveless kirtle?) to that type of dress, but if the paint is secondary that could be one explanation.

pretty dress though! i like those types, and very interesting to see there might be local versions in sweden!
i do wonder what they base their dating on, as i would say it is an earlier dress than the first part of the 16th C. but indeed, we did lag a bit behind fashionwise i guess, especially in the countryside... but that much?

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[frualeydis.livejournal.com]

It's the sleeveless overdress that really intrigues me. The rest looks pretty "normal". The book should be up tomorrow, so I will see if there is more information and maybe more detailed pictures (it's Medeltida träskulptur i Dalarna).

Eva

[myralea.livejournal.com]

>> It's the sleeveless overdress that really intrigues me.

yes i can see that! interesting, i'll check out my german sources at home tonight.

[chigrima.livejournal.com]

Well, my uneducated two cents... :-)

The arms are painted in the same color as the stripe on the bottom of the skirt, and since (at least in my opinion) that stripe is a decoration on the dress and not a kirtle peeking out underneath it, I say the dress is not sleeveless...

Be sure to tell us more about this project!!!

[frualeydis.livejournal.com]

But we don't know when the paint is from. That's the problem. It can have been painted in the 19th (or more likely 17th or 18th century) by someone who knew nothing about 16th century dress. That's why I wanted detailed photos that show the carving better.

Eva

[(Anonymous)]

Reminds me a lot of a few Norwegian folk costumes, for whatever it's worth.... Espeically from the countys of Buskerud and Hardanger. Check out http://www.husfliden.no , under "bunader".

Those clasps (or whatever it is holding the bodice togehter) - I've seen it before. But where...?

[pinque.livejournal.com]

my very first instinct was early 15thC Italian with the sleeves a different colour to the body. So it could have been painted later to reflect that style.

I have seen some gowns that look like an over dress over an under that shows the sleeves of the under... but they generally are of the same colour and the outer gown has long hanging sleeves.

There is a painting by Holbein the elder with a woman in a sleeveless over gown with brightly patterned undersleeves and skirt. I'm not sure if I have seen a good copy online, but I do have it in a magazine of the great artists. The front of the gown is quite different to the sculpyure though.
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03420a02a.jpg
Clearly she's in a religious context so the sleeveless gown could be a signifier?