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frualeydis ([personal profile] frualeydis) wrote2007-11-26 12:25 am
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The Sture shirts

There are four shirts preserved from the Sture murders in the 16th century (you probably all know about the costumes, since they are in Janet Arnold's book Patterns of Fashion). The shirts are afaik only published in a little booklet in swedish. They are rather alike all of them and are based on rectangles, like for example the Warwick shirt. There are a few things that are different though.





See the cut-off corners on top of the pieces? Those are about a decimetre long and when the straight sleeve is sewn in there, like you do with the more normal T-construction, you get a more shaped sleevehead.
All the shirts are very long, though I don't know what is considered normal. They're about 125 cm long. They're also wide, the widest is made of two 115 cm wide pieces.
Except for 6 cm in each side, the straight tops are gathered and sewn to the collar.

[identity profile] sneprinsesse.livejournal.com 2007-11-26 09:32 am (UTC)(link)
I read about long shirts in the folder about the mens Ringeriksbunad (not in this article, but it has beautiful pictures anyway), that they used to have long shirts so they could cross the shirt between the legs, because they didn't have anything else between themselves and their trousers.

Perhaps that is also why the Sture shirts are so long?

[identity profile] ginger-dragon.livejournal.com 2007-11-26 09:54 am (UTC)(link)
I've read that too, and in another place (though I can't for my life not remember where). It makes sense to use them as underwear, I believe- breeches in stiff fabrics must have been very uncomfortable to have next to the skin. And expensive fabrics that where hard to wash. you probably didn't want them next to the skin for that reason as well.

[identity profile] therru.livejournal.com 2007-11-26 12:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, this is how folk costume shirts are supposed to be worn in Sweden, too. No pants, just the ends of the shirt crossed between the legs.

[identity profile] sneprinsesse.livejournal.com 2007-11-26 01:47 pm (UTC)(link)
My former boss borrows his wife's tights to wear under his bunad because of the itch :)

On my Gausdalsbunad, the shirt is actually really midriff-itchingly short. Apparently to make it easyer to breastfeed. According to the wonderful book by
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My former boss borrows his wife's tights to wear under his bunad because of the itch :)

On my Gausdalsbunad, the shirt is actually really midriff-itchingly short. Apparently to make it easyer to breastfeed. According to the wonderful book by <a href0"http://www.bunad-magasinet.no/folkedrakt-og-bymote-i-gudbrandsdalen-1650-1940.201515-29761.html">Ragnhild Bleken Rusten: Folkedrakt og bymote i Gudbrandsdalen 1650-1940</a>, there are long shirts for women recorded as well in Gudbrandsdalen, but they are not included in todays costume.

[identity profile] frualeydis.livejournal.com 2007-11-26 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yes, that's what I think too.

/Eva

[identity profile] peteyfrogboy.livejournal.com 2007-12-03 06:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think I buy the "shirttails as underwear" theory. There's ample evidence for 15th century underwear, and I can't see why it would suddenly go away. I think they are long so that they are less likely to ride up as you move. I have one shirt that is only about hip length, and as the day goes on it tends to crawl up inside my doublet. When your pants are pointed to your doublet, there's no easy way to get the shirt back down. If the shirt is long enough to tuck it down into the pants, this problem is eliminated.