A slightly different german 16th century dress

[frualeydis]

I took a photo of one of the triptychs in Vadstena Abbey church during my short visit (I took lots of photos of medieval sculptures too). It's made in northern Germany in the early 16th century and one of the panels showed a very pretty dress. mmcnealy and pinkdiamond, Have you seen those wide short sleeves before, or the beaded cap on top of the typical wired flemish/west german veils? I know neither of you do northern german stuff, but you have studied german dress so much that I believe that if it isn't extremely unusual or some kind of fantasy outfit you will have seen something like it.
Of course I want to make it, but there are so many dresses I want to make.

Comments

[idahoswede.livejournal.com]

I've seen those sleeves in a number of portraits and paintings of the period, I don't believe it's made up. One of my dream outfits to eventually make (in some lifetime) is one of the fitted ones with tons of pearling from one of the Cranach portraits ("Judith") I think.

[frualeydis.livejournal.com]

I've seen the fitted ones too, it was the wide short sleeves that felt weird. I would love to see more examples.

Eva

[pinque.livejournal.com]

I have seen any number of puffed upper sleeves, fitted upper sleeves but not many loose upper sleeves like this in the German/Dutch border. At least none that wasn't on a tapestry or other religious/allegorical painting.

I do think it may be seen in some dutch woodcuts by Leyen....
http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~karinne/dutch/
The main graphic there hsows what looks to be similar, but it's a hanging sleeve.
There is a woodcut here:
http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~karinne/dutch/clothing_general.html
That could show the same sort of sleeve. Image 5 is the one I'm thinking of. But I'm not sure if it's a case of short sleeves over long bishop sleeves and drapery looking like extra large sleeves or extra large sleeves with folds that look like the above.

I'll keep my eye open for some definite instances though.

[frualeydis.livejournal.com]

Yes, image five is very much like it.


Eva

[mmcnealy.livejournal.com]

I've definitly seen the sleeves on that pink dress before, and the headdress isn't *that* odd, but the short flaring sleeves on the green dress... van Leyden comes to mind.
I wonder if they are the poor woman's version of the flaring sleeves in this painting.

http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pinfo?Object=45843+0+none

I'll poke around today and see if I can come up with anymore examples.

[frualeydis.livejournal.com]

I have a book at work with van Leyden's prints, I haven't looked much in it, but I'll check it out on Monday. Thanks for the help ladies.

Eva