I need your help

[frualeydis]

Girls (and Teddy), I need your help. If you look closely at the portrait of an unknown lady by Anthonis Mor you see that she's not wearing a two piece headdress (what Drea Leed calls a "flemish hood", with a cap and a wired veil, like this woman does, but a three piece head dress. First it's the cap, then it's the white fabric hanging in the back, like the veil of a french hood and then on top of that there's a much sheerer veil that can be seen lying on top of the hanging veil.
(On this picture you see the cap with only the short veil.)

So what is the hanging white fabric and how is it fastened to the cap? Suggestions?

Comments

[guyelfkin.livejournal.com]

with a cap and a wired veil, like this woman

I see three pieces there, a cap closest to the head another one on top (with the edge angling across the visible part of the "under-cap") and the wired veil.

But onto your question....

There';s obviously 3 layers over the top of her head in the middle - the lace/cutwork cap, the short sheer veil and the longer, thicker looking veil that hangs down behind- which seems to come up over the centre of her lace cap and end in the middle of the part above her forehead - perhaps pinned in place (to the lace layer?) with the rest just hanging behind, creating the lines from above the forehead slightly diagonally back over the lace cap. It could be as simple as a rectangular piece of clothwith the middle of one long edge fastened at the forehead.

What puzzles me is that, on top of the head, you can faintly see the lace cap through it, but it looks too thick/solid for that by the time it's seen hanging behind her.

Has the picture been restored at some point? Perhaps the restorer was a little heavy handed on the hanging part?
Teddy

[aclisto.livejournal.com]

Eva, I'm not sure these will help, but if they can give you some kind of clue then great!
Becky
http://students.mwsc.edu/~rap3693/evahat
ps you can ignore the silly names on the files, I just have to name them differently so the names get ridiculous.

[frualeydis.livejournal.com]

Oh my god Aclisto! These are just wonderful! I think this painting (http://students.mwsc.edu/~rap3693/evahat/imageserver.jpg) is gorgeous, especially the little "liripipe" on the hood. It just has to be done!
I don't know if they will solve the construction problems but I'll download them for further reference.
I'm so indebted to you.

Eva

[aclisto.livejournal.com]

You're welcome! Happy that I could contribute a little. I've got to do something with all my silly pictures :) How is baby coming along?? And the other youngins? What do they think?

[myladyswardrobe.livejournal.com]

Aclisto,

Your images are great! Do you have any background info on them? Eg artists names, dates etc!

I've got a huge headache at the moment in attempting to transfer over 4,000 (yes thats Four THOUSAND plus) files from my PC(were all burned onto CD) to my Laptop. Except the CDs can't be read by the Laptop. So I'm trying to get the two machines to simply talk to each other so I can transfer that way!

Huge headache!

[aclisto.livejournal.com]

Hmm... Thats a good question. I have about 7,500 images and to be honest its kind of hard to keep track of them all. I started getting them about 5 years ago and kept little to nothing record wise and now I'm better at it. However if you're asking about a particular picture I could probably tell you. By the way, did you still want a CD of them? Or CD's at this point :) Let me know rap3693@mwsc(dot)edu